Michael Tsarion is Wrong -2009 a Debunkumentary
Michael Tsarion is Wrong -2009 a Debunkumentary
This is the video that Michael Tsarion keeps having my internet video accounts shut down for. He has had me reported to Youtube, Google video, DailyMotion, Veoh, Metacafe, Blip tv, and on and on. He has also had videos taken down that were just of me TALKING about this video. I frankly didnt know he had that much time is his day. This video is protected under the Fair Use act, which is using copy written material for the purposes of critique and or for non profit use. I think you will see why Tsarion has gone internet stalker on me if you watch this video.
Download this video and share it in any way you can think of
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Back in 2007 I did two other videos about Tsarion, they are both a little rough around the edges, but the information is there if you can sit thorough my lackluster presentations. The first is called Michael Tsarion and the Rosicrucian Connection, and it details some interesting things about Tsarions history with the Rosicrucian's and the Theosophical Society.
Thankfully I saved the html from the original forum post that I did this video on, you can veiw it here:
http://conspiracyclothes.com/nowheretorun/illusionspost.html
The next one is called The Many Mistakes of Michael Tsarion. I did this one as part of a radio show on the Revere Radio Network and forgot about it, until Tsarion caught wind of it, then it got a little crazy. for more on that check the Outlaw Journalism article ...
Michael Tsarion Threatens to Kick Chris White�s Ass for Exposing Him
Outlaw News
December 16, 2007
New Age guru Michael Tsarion, who has recently been publicly exposed as a Freemason and generational occultist, has threatened physical violence against one of the people who assisted this exposure - Chris White, of the 'Nowhere to Run' internet radio show, who recently did a show on Tsarion's occult connections, noting among other things that he is an admitted member of the Rosicrucian Order.
This show was brought up on Tsarion's forum, and rather than respond to any of the facts brought up by Chris, Tsarion simply called him "trash who has emerged from his fucking toilet" and then stated that "the only debate i'll give this pathetic specimen is with my fist" (entire response posted below).
Though this comment was somewhat offhand, and not something one would really take to court as a threat of assault, it shows Tsarion's mindset. By degrading Chris with Ad Hominem attacks, Tsarion claims that he has no obligation to respond to any of the facts he brought up.
When I tried to go on his forum and bring up some of the facts mentioned on the show, my comment was denied approval by one of the Admins. This doesn't surprise me. If you go on his forum, you will see that people are talking about the show, but none of them have said one word about the actual content of it. This is because any mention of the facts brought up in the show is disallowed from Michael Tsarion's forum. I encourage anyone who doubts this to go and try to post something negative about "Mtsar" on his forum.
His forum is filled with people who follow him with religious fervor, and on my own forum, I have found that his followers will viciously attack anyone who mentions anything negative about their great spiritual leader. This is no different from the behavior of the members of any other cult.
All of this is simply further proof of what those of us in the know were already well aware of: Michael Tsarion is a fake and a shill, put out by the powers that be to mix fact with fiction and create mass confusion among our movement. He promotes the belief in aliens as well as a mass of other occult garbage including tarot cards and astrology. He also promotes the Rothschild funded philosophy of Theosophy, and is an apologist for the very high Freemason and founder of the OTO, Aliester Crowley, who it is recently declassified was a paid agent of MI-6.
Alan Watt, though apparently hesitant to say all he knows about this situation, has several times indicated that Michael Tsarion, David Icke, Jordan Maxwell, and the rest of that little club are all disinformation agents, put out there to mix the truth with the sci-fi/fantasy world of the New Age religion. Here is a recent interview where Alan discusses this.
It is also worth noting that Tsarion's forum is hosted by Red Ice Creations, the Admin of which, Henrik Palmgren, does a radio show where Michael Tsarion is a regular guest. Alan Watt used to appear on this show every month, but recently he has stopped being invited, claiming on his own show which airs on RBN that this was due to the fact that he refused to go along with the "alien agenda" propaganda which most of the Red Ice guests promote. I like the guy, and we regularly like to each others sites, but apparently, Henrik has become a member of the club.
Chris White is a friend of mine, and after the threats and hateful statements which Tsarion has made against him, this issue is pretty close to home; I also feel that the people doing what he is doing, sabotaging our movement from within, are actually more damaging that the attacks from without. I am going to continue to do everything I can to make sure this man is fully exposed, so as he is no longer able to harm people with his psychologically and spiritually destructive propaganda.
-Andre
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Here is Tsarion's full explaination of why he will not respond to the facts brought up on Chris White's show, from his forum (this will probably removed when attention is drawn to it):
what are you people talking about when you say debate? debate with this trash who has emerged from his fucking toilet?
do any of you know what a true "critic" really is? it appears not.
some skinflint muckslinger has a bash at a few short free webstreams and that is now regarded as criticism. he has not the dvds, and has not bought the book. that is obvious. a few errors is all he can summon to mucksling at.
he did not contact me like a decent respectful being, and ask me personally about all this. he launched a vicious online attack hoping to be somebody by slander, slander of someone who actually has achieved important things.
these vermin are a dime a dozen. they'll can spew what they want, and mucksling, and waste valuable time.
my work has been complimented by veterans in the field of research from every part of the globe. and i don't even need or require these people's endorsement, although its nice when it comes from a sincere person.
this undereducated, spluttering inarticulate christian (not) moron needs to shut his cakehole, and stop making a total idiot of himself. but being so terribly desperate for attention, this is the way ENVIOUS people go about. the only debate i'll give this pathetic specimen is with my fist.
send the creature these two articles, and ask him to comment on me, and say i'm a disinformationalist or a servant of the illuminati.
http://www.taroscopes.com/miscellanous-pages/weapons.html
http://www.taroscopes.com/highwindowsarticles/shiva-holyspirit-ageo...
ask this genius of criticism, to show me his articles. ask him to prove he is not a servant of the secret societies that are clearly out to silence the servants of truth?
exposed, am i? the sewer rat does not even know the meaning of the word. he could not find a tit in a whore house.
OK well, I will go ahead and make available some hilarious photoshopping done by the folks at the now defunct illusions forum. One member also created a blog in the guise of Mtsar, and it is great for more than a few laughs. You can see it here:
[Click to view full-size]
This is the video that Michael Tsarion keeps having my internet video accounts shut down for. He has had me reported to Youtube, Google video, DailyMotion, Veoh, Metacafe, Blip tv, and on and on. He has also had videos taken down that were just of me TALKING about this video. I frankly didnt know he had that much time is his day. This video is protected under the Fair Use act, which is using copy written material for the purposes of critique and or for non profit use. I think you will see why Tsarion has gone internet stalker on me if you watch this video.
Download this video and share it in any way you can think of
MP4 Format
Back in 2007 I did two other videos about Tsarion, they are both a little rough around the edges, but the information is there if you can sit thorough my lackluster presentations. The first is called Michael Tsarion and the Rosicrucian Connection, and it details some interesting things about Tsarions history with the Rosicrucian's and the Theosophical Society.
Thankfully I saved the html from the original forum post that I did this video on, you can veiw it here:
http://conspiracyclothes.com/nowheretorun/illusionspost.html
The next one is called The Many Mistakes of Michael Tsarion. I did this one as part of a radio show on the Revere Radio Network and forgot about it, until Tsarion caught wind of it, then it got a little crazy. for more on that check the Outlaw Journalism article ...
Michael Tsarion Threatens to Kick Chris White�s Ass for Exposing Him
Outlaw News
December 16, 2007
New Age guru Michael Tsarion, who has recently been publicly exposed as a Freemason and generational occultist, has threatened physical violence against one of the people who assisted this exposure - Chris White, of the 'Nowhere to Run' internet radio show, who recently did a show on Tsarion's occult connections, noting among other things that he is an admitted member of the Rosicrucian Order.
This show was brought up on Tsarion's forum, and rather than respond to any of the facts brought up by Chris, Tsarion simply called him "trash who has emerged from his fucking toilet" and then stated that "the only debate i'll give this pathetic specimen is with my fist" (entire response posted below).
Though this comment was somewhat offhand, and not something one would really take to court as a threat of assault, it shows Tsarion's mindset. By degrading Chris with Ad Hominem attacks, Tsarion claims that he has no obligation to respond to any of the facts he brought up.
When I tried to go on his forum and bring up some of the facts mentioned on the show, my comment was denied approval by one of the Admins. This doesn't surprise me. If you go on his forum, you will see that people are talking about the show, but none of them have said one word about the actual content of it. This is because any mention of the facts brought up in the show is disallowed from Michael Tsarion's forum. I encourage anyone who doubts this to go and try to post something negative about "Mtsar" on his forum.
His forum is filled with people who follow him with religious fervor, and on my own forum, I have found that his followers will viciously attack anyone who mentions anything negative about their great spiritual leader. This is no different from the behavior of the members of any other cult.
All of this is simply further proof of what those of us in the know were already well aware of: Michael Tsarion is a fake and a shill, put out by the powers that be to mix fact with fiction and create mass confusion among our movement. He promotes the belief in aliens as well as a mass of other occult garbage including tarot cards and astrology. He also promotes the Rothschild funded philosophy of Theosophy, and is an apologist for the very high Freemason and founder of the OTO, Aliester Crowley, who it is recently declassified was a paid agent of MI-6.
Alan Watt, though apparently hesitant to say all he knows about this situation, has several times indicated that Michael Tsarion, David Icke, Jordan Maxwell, and the rest of that little club are all disinformation agents, put out there to mix the truth with the sci-fi/fantasy world of the New Age religion. Here is a recent interview where Alan discusses this.
It is also worth noting that Tsarion's forum is hosted by Red Ice Creations, the Admin of which, Henrik Palmgren, does a radio show where Michael Tsarion is a regular guest. Alan Watt used to appear on this show every month, but recently he has stopped being invited, claiming on his own show which airs on RBN that this was due to the fact that he refused to go along with the "alien agenda" propaganda which most of the Red Ice guests promote. I like the guy, and we regularly like to each others sites, but apparently, Henrik has become a member of the club.
Chris White is a friend of mine, and after the threats and hateful statements which Tsarion has made against him, this issue is pretty close to home; I also feel that the people doing what he is doing, sabotaging our movement from within, are actually more damaging that the attacks from without. I am going to continue to do everything I can to make sure this man is fully exposed, so as he is no longer able to harm people with his psychologically and spiritually destructive propaganda.
-Andre
***
Here is Tsarion's full explaination of why he will not respond to the facts brought up on Chris White's show, from his forum (this will probably removed when attention is drawn to it):
what are you people talking about when you say debate? debate with this trash who has emerged from his fucking toilet?
do any of you know what a true "critic" really is? it appears not.
some skinflint muckslinger has a bash at a few short free webstreams and that is now regarded as criticism. he has not the dvds, and has not bought the book. that is obvious. a few errors is all he can summon to mucksling at.
he did not contact me like a decent respectful being, and ask me personally about all this. he launched a vicious online attack hoping to be somebody by slander, slander of someone who actually has achieved important things.
these vermin are a dime a dozen. they'll can spew what they want, and mucksling, and waste valuable time.
my work has been complimented by veterans in the field of research from every part of the globe. and i don't even need or require these people's endorsement, although its nice when it comes from a sincere person.
this undereducated, spluttering inarticulate christian (not) moron needs to shut his cakehole, and stop making a total idiot of himself. but being so terribly desperate for attention, this is the way ENVIOUS people go about. the only debate i'll give this pathetic specimen is with my fist.
send the creature these two articles, and ask him to comment on me, and say i'm a disinformationalist or a servant of the illuminati.
http://www.taroscopes.com/miscellanous-pages/weapons.html
http://www.taroscopes.com/highwindowsarticles/shiva-holyspirit-ageo...
ask this genius of criticism, to show me his articles. ask him to prove he is not a servant of the secret societies that are clearly out to silence the servants of truth?
exposed, am i? the sewer rat does not even know the meaning of the word. he could not find a tit in a whore house.
OK well, I will go ahead and make available some hilarious photoshopping done by the folks at the now defunct illusions forum. One member also created a blog in the guise of Mtsar, and it is great for more than a few laughs. You can see it here:
[Click to view full-size]
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Permalink Reply by ChristianPatriot on -
when michaeltsarion comments on chris white he does not seem to be this enlightned master or even a nice person for that matter.because someone dissagrees with him he go's on the attack.please read the article--all comments accepted
remember this is a freespeach zone for all views
no hate only facts,in my prayers--Nick O
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Permalink Reply by Josh Nelson on -
ok so Micheal Tsarion attacked you for putting up that post that put down his work? and he went to all sorts of trouble to have it put down? thats crazy, the mans insane. i was kind of listening to what he said, because its so nuts though, like crazy out there. His theories about aliens and the like is just weird, and where the fuck does he have all this proof? i tried looking up some of his concepts or whatever, and all i get are references back to the videos i already saw. All of his books on his recomended reading list are actual books though, but i don't exactly have the time to read all those books, although i could try to start. I guess im asking you if i shoudl bother reading the books he lists. Here is a link to the books listed, if you don't know what books they are (im assuming that you don't)
http://www.taroscopes.com/miscellanous-pages/weapons.html
Its near the bottom, so bear with me
would appreciate a message back, im in the dark here, and i have no idea what to think!
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Permalink Reply by benjis007 on -
I would recommend making up your own mind after reviewing what facts you can find. It makes sense that someone who calls himself "ChristianPatriot" would be angry with the information that Tsarion presents, and I for one do not agree with the criticisms. In my research I have found Tsarion to be more than interesting and he definitely has done his homework on his topics. I've heard a lot of this debunking material and am still quite fond of Tsarion's work. I have found little reason to specifically doubt Tsarion's work among the alternative researchers out there. However, I have had disagreements with "ChristianPatriot"'s work before and have found him disturbing to my particular slant on these studies. Be wary of anyone claiming that a researcher is an agent working against us. I have yet to hear of a single thinker out there not accused of being a disinfo agent, particularly when debating a "Christian" on the matter. I suggest doing your own research and going with your heart.
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Permalink Reply by benjis007 on
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Response to discussion:
I couldn't locate the "vid" debunkumentary. However, I did spend a good deal of time on your link alleging to connect Mtsar to the Rosicrucians and did not find it very revealing at all. It debunks nothing. Actually, it is a nice resource for anyone who likes Mtsar. There are references to alleged friends and family of Tsarion as well as a lot of other info to dig into. Most of it doesn't really pertain to Mtsar's work at all. It tries to establish Tsarion's ties to those things he would admit to having contact with --- namely : works of ancient thinkers (many controversial), gnostic teachings, tarot info, yada yada yada, stuff about Mtsar's father. Some of the links aren't working on the page and I am not sure that the info is totally accurate, but the writer is clearly a fan of Tsarion's work. This makes me think that the title of this discussion is off... No one should worship a particular thinker, not even Tsarion, but I hardly think anyone here is at risk of that. This post seems to be an attempt to provoke a reaction, but to exacltly what, that I don't know... This hasn't done a thing to dissuade me from continuing to use Mtsar's work in my own research and discoveries...Actually, it went a long way to convincing me that he is someone to look to for information on the topics of esoteric knowlege and ancient teaching and alternative viewpoints. Thanks ChristianPatriot for confirming Mtsar's validity.
Where does all this fear of Mtsar come from???
I for one have not been asked to buy or buy into anything he says and can access it for free on the internet for the most part. This discussion appears to be an attempt to warn other thinkers off his work.
peace,
Ben
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Permalink Reply by benjis007 on
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well... I found part 5/5 and am simply more entrenched in my belief that ChristianPatriot is preaching Christianity and Patriotism... need I say more??
I would prefer it if Christians using the site and desiring to enlighten us "heathens" would give us a pro-Christian vid or pro-bible vid to convince us from the "pro" side of the equation. I am less inclined to listen to your "truth" when it speaks little of its own merits... Why bash the work of a thinker, but not provide the alternative viewpoint?? I mean, I was raised southern baptist and have seen snake wrangling, tongues speaking, wriggly piggly Christian belief up-close and personal. I was not convinced. However, some of you out there may have been exposed to a more enlightened version of the Bible or have a more intelligent take on it, and if that is the case, then please enlighten me with your truth! On the other hand, maybe you'd rather just preach to the choir and share thinker-bashing material with those already entrenched in your own belief structures... I want the truth!
peacefully but impatiently,
Ben
P.S. From another perspective, though mistitled, I am enjoying this discussion a great deal. Thanks.
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Permalink Reply by Smokescreen on -
You have no links to any video here.
Also everything I have seen here has not debunked anything about Michael Tsarion other than he gets mad at people on the internet and, well, thats still not debunking anything.
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Permalink Reply by GetTrumped on -
I would refer anyone to his latest conference presentation, the man does excellent research. His take on matters is always going to be refuted because his goal is to construct epistemic and ontological bridges between empirical and non-empirical sciences. i.e.; between sociology or psychology and ancient/modern philosophy. It's tough to do that and have everyone agree with everything you say.
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Permalink Reply by Soca7 on -
I feel about Tsarion as I do toward Jordan Maxwell, and Alex Jones for that matter. I feel they give you enough pointers to do your OWN research. We become illumined the minute we step foot on this journey for truth. This is then compounded when we find that most historical writers and thinkers who we use for research, have had to follow an illumined path, even becoming fully fledged fraternity members to discover their revelations. I'm not saying this is right -it is just the way it is. It is un-realistic to assume the majority of truth researchers have'nt at some time "crossed the line".
I love Jordan Maxwell's work - yet his great mentor was Manley P. Hall, a 33rd degree mason. I think a lot of Maxwell's work has been un -paralleled. Alex Jones in all the time I have heard him rarely mentions the Pope or the Vatican's role in this controlling system. Irony is you have to be adept in the Vatican's historical roots to even begin to understand who is really controlling us. So for Jones to omit this is beyond mystifying. As for Tsarion, his work is based on the Gnostic teachings..which to this day are totally open to interpretation.
At the end of the day it is our own research that truly can educate us. These guys give us enough to start our own journey of discovery. They have the right to put out there anything they like..truth or un-truth. But equally we have the option of whether we buy it or not..mentally or physically. I don't believe in the notion of a Guru. We are our own Guru's..if we would only accept that challenge.
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Permalink Reply by Reg on -
Bravo Soca,, BRAVO; I concur 110%
If I could only TYPE into my computer as well as you and a few others do So F'g Well!
What a great post in response, better yet out of the park in my book.
I really admire ya'lls ability to paint a picture of my core feelings with to me these dang Alien things to me called key boards. But hopefully one of these days I will become as artistic at typing In-Depth Blogs, to as artistic as I feel the Truth. You guys/Patriots Rock!!
In my experience with 'Organized' Religion, their using and have used religion to control us so far, there using the same script to justify the rapture/Zionist second coming. Look to your selves for hope not some story book character. No disrespect but religion is about politics not spirituality.
Bingo!! We are our own Guru's..if we would only accept that challenge.
The Stories of Ascended Masters, the things that make me go,, Hummmm, let's See here!??
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Permalink Reply by F.M. Luder on -
Excellent analysis Soca. This is similar to how I think and feel on multiple subjects. I am close to local fraternities now, and have been discovering the mesh of beliefs surrounding many occult subjects. Its a wonderful world we live in. Its only too bad that some cannot break away from the noise and use it to their advantage.
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Permalink Reply by ChristianPatriot on
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@ Andre...I would not cal you an Illuminati servant..I would use your vernacular and call you an "ASSHOLE"..have a great day !
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Permalink Reply by ChristianPatriot on
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@ Socca' great comment. I have had conversations with some others here and it influences there opinions..whatever...BTW..some are not Patriots here.....Peace.
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